5. We fell back abut 5, or perhaps before. I sent an aide-de-camp with a rough diagram, made on horseback, to General Gilbert, showing him the locality, but he came back and reported that he could not find him. I was unable to get any orders, except as I told you, through his aide-de-camp, and I refused to obey them, because they had deceived me before. I instructed the aide-de-camp to go to General Gilbert and say to him that we were in the rear of the enemy's batteries and I asked for instructions. That was after I was ordered back by the aide-de-camp of General Gilbert.

Question. What would have been the effect of your advancing at the time you received the order from General Gilbert?

Had I been supported I could have taken the Washington Battery. I had made a reconnaissance in person, and there was no infantry supporting the battery except those that were taken prisoners-about 170. Everything that I did discover was in advance of the batteries and fighting McCook; the battery was also shelling McCook.

Question. Were you present at a meeting of officers at Prewitt's Knob, in which the movements of the army were discussed and General Buell's conduct commented on?

I was at on council. I was never at a council of any kind during the time I was in the Army of the Ohio.

Question. Do you recollect any conversation at General McCook's headquarters at Prewitt's Knob?

I cannot call anything to mind.

Question. Were you present at any conversation at which it was suggested that General Buell should be put under arrest and General Thomas put in command?

I never heard any such talk.

The PRESIDENT. You have stated that General Gilbert was not in the front?

I would not state that he was not at the front, but I did not see him. I don't know where he was. After he ordered me to the right of the road I never saw General Gilbert till next morning. I frequently asked him for an explanation of the object of the movement and what he expected us to do, but he failed to give me any reply. General Schoepf was in command of one of the divisions. He was in the reserve.

By the PRESIDENT:

Question. What was the strength of Gilbert's corps?

I cannot come near it. My best impression is about 21,000. On reflection I think it was larger.

Question. How many batteries had he?

He had two full batteries and a four-gun battery, and my impression was that each of the other divisions in our corps had three batteries. It was reported to me, as General Wood advanced, Bragg was within a mile of Crittenden's corps on my right. That was about 4 o'clock in the evening, within sight of the Danville road. My division was 8.500 when at Louisville. I think Sheridan's division was not as strong as mine. General Schoepf had more regiments, but mine were fuller. I think we had that number of men.

(Diagram produced and the positions of Sheridan's and Mitchell's divisions marked.)

I have not studied the diagram sufficiency to fix the distance with exactness. My original line was 1 3/4 miles from Perryville. We could not see McCook's from our position. Sheridan was next on my left and then McCook.

The PRESIDENT. I would like to have you mark upon this map the line of your advance and how far you had got.

The distance was about 600 yards, entirely out of town.

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